In the podcast "Morally Wrong - Lawfully Right" we discuss the theme "Ecocide" with Pella Thiel. Pella Thiel is a Swedish maverick ecologist and activist who works with relational, systemic activism, change processes, and leadership for a society in harmony with nature. This material was produced by students in the course Sustainable Organising at Hanken School of Economics in the spring term of 2023. The group work assignment of the course was to design a podcast show and produce an episode about a topic related to sustainable organising. The interviews were done in February 2023. More about Pella on: https://pellathiel.se/